The explicit root-and-branch rejection of morality by gays has been real, pervasive, and baleful in its effect on both the quality of life that we create for ourselves within the [gay] community, and our P.R. [public relations] with straights…. There’s a simpler, darker reason why many gays choose to live without morality: As ideologies go, amorality is damned convenient. And the mortal enemy of that convenience is the value judgment…. Without morality, there can be no compelling basis for responsibility to others.
—Marshall Kirk and Hunter Madsen, After the Ball.1
A thick fog of confusion obscures the debate about homosexuality. This is by design; one of the fundamental strategies of the culture of death is to generate uncertainty and misunderstanding so that people will be intimidated into remaining silent.
Nowhere does this principle apply more than to what Scripture says about homosexuality.
Does the Bible Forbid Homosexuality?
“Gay-friendly” clergy tend to use the terms “love” and “acceptance” interchangeably, claiming that we must love everyone, because we are all children of God.
It is certainly true that Jesus commanded us to love everyone. God made each person in His image and likeness, so we all have dignity. But it certainly is not true that we must tolerate and accept sinful behavior.
Because homosexual persons possess human dignity, they must be loved and respected. Homosexual tendencies are not sinful if they are not wanted. But homosexual activity is immoral and absolutely anti-biblical.
This is a very important point. Simply having same-sex attraction is not sinful. It becomes sinful when one entertains these feelings, or when one acts on them, or lives a homosexual lifestyle.
Scripture warns repeatedly against living a sinful lifestyle:
For if we sin wilfully after having the knowledge of the truth, there is now left no sacrifice for sins, but a certain dreadful expectation of judgment, and the rage of a fire which shall consume the adversaries. (Hebrews 10:26-27)
What shall we say, then? shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. For we that are dead to sin, how shall we live any longer therein? (Romans 6:1-2)
But he said that the things which come out from a man, they defile a man. For from within out of the heart of men proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness. All these evil things come from within, and defile a man. (Mark 7:20-23)
These are only a few of the multiple instances that Scripture warns us of the consequences of a sinful lifestyle.
Anyone who has seen cursing, blaspheming homosexual activists simulating sex at a “Gay Pride” parade, or who has heard them express their hatred of God, or has read their hate-filled screeds against the Catholic Church, should have no problem discerning whether they follow God or follow the devil.
Beware of false prophets, who come to you in the clothing of sheep, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. By their fruits you shall know them. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit, and the evil tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can an evil tree bring forth good fruit. (Matt. 7:15-18)
We often hear the empty platitude of “love” in defense of homosexuality. Many consider that to love one’s neighbor or to be charitable, they must accept someone’s lifestyle, even if it is sinful. So, we must ask what true love is. Is it truly loving to allow someone to do something that is harmful? Would a loving parent let their child play in the middle of a busy road? Would a loving person encourage their friend to engage in risky behaviors?
The mind’s greatest power is its ability to deceive itself. Nowhere is this more evident than in the pitiful spectacle of radical feminists, abortionists, corrupt politicians, and homosexual activists masquerading as Christians, proclaiming that they are “devout Catholics,” and denying that the Bible condemns homosexual behavior.
Of course, homosexual persons are to be loved and respected, and homosexual tendencies are not sinful if they are not wanted. But homosexual activity is immoral and absolutely anti-biblical.
The “Queen James Bible”
After hearing such self-justifications, many pro-family Christians wonder what “bible” the homophiles are getting their information from.
Believe it or not, there is an actual “Gay Bible.” The “Queen James Version” alters the eight verses in the 1769 King James Version that deal with homosexuality “in a way that makes homophobic interpretations impossible.”2
A person may disagree with the Bible on what it says about homosexuality, but it is just flat dishonest to produce a new version and then pretend that it is genuine. Perhaps this is why the editors (butchers?) of the “Queen James Bible” have wisely chosen to remain anonymous.
In reality, few sins are condemned by the Bible as explicitly as sodomy. Both the Old and New Testaments contain passages stating quite plainly that people who engage in homosexual activity will not inherit the Kingdom of Heaven.
The Old Testament
In fact, the sins of Sodom and Gomorrah have become the standard by which the sins of other cities and countries were judged in many Scripture passages.
The Case of Sodom
Homophiles boast about being great propagandists. Their specialty is the classic half-truth — deliberately telling only that part of the story that supports their allegations.
For example, they are fond of saying that Sodom was destroyed by God — not because the townspeople were homosexuals, but instead because they weren’t hospitable to travelers. Dissenter Father John J. McNeill advances this flimsy argument in his book The Church and the Homosexual, and it is repeated ad nauseam on many homophile websites.
What the homophiles intentionally omit from this account is Genesis 19:4-8:
But before they went to bed, the men of the city beset the house both young and old, all the people together. And they called Lot, and said to him: Where are the men that came in to thee at night? bring them out hither that we may know them:
Lot went out to them, and shut the door after him, and said: Do not so, I beseech you, my brethren, do not commit this evil. I have two daughters who as yet have not known man: I will bring them out to you, and abuse you them as it shall please you, so that you do no evil to these men, because they are come in under the shadow of my roof.
It is glaringly obvious to any person with even the slightest knowledge of the Bible that to “know” someone in this context is to have sexual intercourse with them.
Lot fleeing Sodom and Gomorrah
This is certainly not the only case of deliberate misinterpretation of the Bible that homophiles are guilty of. We all know Matthew 8:5-13 as the edifying story of the centurion who had so much faith in Jesus that he said to Him, “Lord, I am not worthy to have you come under my roof; but only say the word, and my servant will be healed,” the words we repeat at every Holy Mass. Yet some homophiles say that this passage proved that the centurion was a homosexual and that his servant was his lover!
Obviously, those who claim that Scripture does not condemn homosexuality are either ignorant or deceptive. Some of the more explicit condemnations of homosexual behavior in the Bible are Leviticus 18:22 (“You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination”), Leviticus 20:13 (“If any one lie with a man as with a woman, both have committed an abomination, let them be put to death: their blood be upon them”), and Jude 7 (“As Sodom and Gomorrha, and the neighbouring cities, in like manner, having given themselves to fornication, and going after other flesh, were made an example, suffering the punishment of eternal fire”).
Homophiles often dismiss the Old Testament condemnations of homosexuality on the grounds that there are many laws it describes that we do not follow now. These include not eating fish that have no fins or scales (Leviticus 11:9-12), and the breaking of an earthen vessel if a gecko or chameleon falls into it (Leviticus 11:29-33). But forbidding homosexuality does not stop at the Old Testament.
The New Testament
Perhaps the most eloquent and pointed condemnation of homosexual activity in particular and a permissive society in general is contained in Romans 1. Every Christian activist should be familiar with this chapter, because it describes our Western culture with a terrifying clarity:
For this cause God delivered them up to shameful affections. For their women have changed the natural use into that use which is against nature. And, in like manner, the men also, leaving the natural use of the women, have burned in their lusts one towards another, men with men working that which is filthy, and receiving in themselves the recompense which was due to their error…Who, having known the justice of God, did not understand that they who do such things, are worthy of death; and not only they that do them, but they also that consent to them that do them.
The prophetic Romans 1 shows us that homosexual behavior and other perversions of nature and society are as old as civilization itself — and as current as the headlines in today’s newspapers. If a homophile objects to Old Testament prohibitions on homosexual behavior, find out what he has to say about the first chapter of Romans and 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, which plainly states that those who commit homosexual acts (and do not repent) will not enter the Kingdom of God.
Know you not that the unjust shall not possess the kingdom of God? Do not err; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor the effeminate, nor liers with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor railers, nor extortioners, shall possess the kingdom of God.
Many try to claim that, since Jesus did not speak directly about same-sex relationships in the Gospels, they must be permissible. This is absolutely false. The simple reason that Christ did not specifically address it was because, at that time in Israel, gay relations were not accepted. No one was disputing that they were wrong.
At the end of the day, the Bible clearly forbids homosexual activity. And the Bible’s teachings aren’t the only teachings that condemn it.
What Catholic Tradition Says
Tradition (those teachings that the Apostles passed down orally) also forbids homosexuality. (To read more about Tradition and why it’s important, see here. Tradition, with a capital T, refers to divinely revealed truths that come from God from either Christ or the Apostles, whereas tradition refers to human traditions or customs.) There are multiple sources from Tradition that condemn this sin, but here are just a few.
Take what Cyprian of Carthage has to say:
Oh, if placed on that lofty watchtower, you could gaze into the secret places – if you could open the closed doors of sleeping chambers and recall their dark recesses to the perception of sight – you would behold things done by immodest persons which no chaste eye could look upon; you would see what even to see is a crime; you would see what people embruted with the madness of vice deny that they have done, and yet hasten to do – men with frenzied lusts rushing upon them, doing things which afford no gratification even to those who do them (Letters 1:9 [A.D. 253])
And Eusebius of Casesarea:
[H]aving forbidden all unlawful marriage, and all unseemly practice, and the union of women with women and men with men, he [God] adds: ‘Do not defile yourselves with any of these things; for in all these things the nations were defiled, which I will drive out before you. And the land was polluted, and I have recompensed [their] iniquity upon it, and the land is grieved with them that dwell upon it.’ [Lev. 18:24-25] (Proof of the Gospel 4:10 [A.D. 319])
Or St. Augustine:
[T]hose shameful acts against nature, such as were committed in Sodom, ought everywhere and always to be detested and punished. If all nations were to do such things, they would be held guilty of the same crime by the law of God, which has not made men so that they should use one another in this way. (Confessions 3:8:15 [A.D. 400])
St. Augustinus or Augustine of Hippo Statue, Czech Republic
Why is Homosexuality Sinful?
God created man and woman to be sexually compatible and procreative. Sexuality is a gift from God, one that is designed to be utilized only within marriage between a man and a woman. Because of this incredible, beautiful, and dignified gift, any deviation from it is a degradation of this gift. Such deviations include adultery, pedophilia, fornication, or homosexuality.
The Bible affirms the goodness of marriage and the respect sexual relations between husband and wife deserve. Hebrews 13:4 exhorts spouses to respect the dignity of their marriage and to keep relations only within the marriage:
Marriage honourable in all, and the bed undefiled. For fornicators and adulterers God will judge.
But sexuality is a gift from God, to be enjoyed only within the bounds of marriage. Sex as a gift is affirmed in verses such as Proverbs 5:15-19, or Canticles (Song of Solomon) 2:16, 4:16-5:1.
Any Sin Can Be Forgiven–Including Homosexuality
It is also important to note that attraction to someone of the same sex is a result of original sin. Thus, God doesn’t “make” one gay. The inclination to sin (referred to as “concupiscence”) is a tragic result of original sin. Concupiscence includes the inclination towards sexual sins, such as masturbation, adultery, fornication, and yes, homosexuality.
Just as many struggle with the sin of addiction, or of pride, or of lust, many struggle with the sin of homosexuality. Just as with any other sin, God’s forgiveness is always readily available for this sin. Like the father of the prodigal son in the Bible, God is eager to forgive us, if only we will let Him.
The Confession by Giuseppe Molteni (source:
Just like with any other sin, those struggling with same-sex attraction can absolutely get to Heaven, if only they repent of sin and follow Jesus:
Then Jesus said to his disciples: If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. For he that will save his life, shall lose it: and he that shall lose his life for my sake, shall find it. (Matt. 16.24-5)
No one is too sinful for God’s forgiveness. Often, we can feel we are unworthy, or that God will hate us, or will abandon us for being too sinful. But this is not the case, as stated by Jesus Christ Himself to St. Faustina:
I perform works of mercy in every soul. The greater the sinner, the greater the right he has to My mercy. My mercy is confirmed in every work of My hands. He who trusts in My mercy will not perish, for all his affairs are Mine, and his enemies will be shattered at the base of My footstool. (Diary of Saint Maria Faustina Kowalska, 723)
Never let your past keep you from God. He knows your past and offers His mercy and forgiveness at every moment. He is eager for reconciliation with you.
Those Who Struggle with Same-Sex Attraction Have a Calling
God loves each person individually and more deeply than we can possibly imagine. Even though we are all sinful, He loves each of us. Those who struggle with same-sex attraction are no different in this regard. So, no, God does not hate gay people, but He is calling them to something higher than homosexuality. He hates sin and the effect it has on us, and He wants us to experience true freedom and peace.
Additionally, all people have a calling. God doesn’t make mistakes, and we are all called to be holy. Every individual has a specific and unique place in God’s plan that no one else can fulfill. This is known as a person’s vocation.
It doesn’t matter what sins someone has committed or struggles with currently – they are called to holiness and unity with the eternal and all-powerful God. This calling is what each of us is designed for, and unity with God is the only thing that will make us truly, deeply happy. But such a lofty, beautiful calling does not include sin. Thus, if one wishes to fulfill their vocation, one must repent of their sins and follow God.
Conclusion
It is a tragic thing to see individuals live so far from God, unaware of His great love and care for them. Holy Scripture and Tradition both forbid homosexuality because it is not what we are designed for. Just like with any other sin, it hinders us from full communion with God.
Understanding what the Bible and what Tradition both say about homosexuality can equip us to be more compassionate for our brothers and sisters who struggle with this sin, and it can help us to point them to the narrow path to Heaven.
This article was originally published in May 2020 by Dr. Brian Clowes and was most recently updated in December 2023 by Marisa Cantu.
+ Endnotes
[1] Marshall Kirk and Hunter Madsen. After the Ball: How America Will Conquer Its Fear & Hatred of Gays in the 90s. New York City: DoubleDay, 1989.
[2] Billy Hallowell. “’Queen James Bible’: Now There’s a Gay-Friendly Version of Scripture.” The Blaze, December 13, 2012. The Christian Apologetics & Research Ministry (CARM) has done a great job of debunking this nonsense.
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Dr. Brian Clowes has been HLI’s director of research since 1995 and is one of the most accomplished and respected intellectuals in the international pro-life movement. Best known as author of the most exhaustive pro-life informational resource volume The Facts of Life, and for his Pro-Life Basic Training Course, Brian is the author of nine books and over 500 scholarly and popular articles, and has traveled to 70 countries on six continents as a pro-life speaker, educator and trainer.
Marisa Cantu has a master's in political science and international affairs and a bachelor's in political science. She has also studied international studies and French. She has a strong background in nonprofit work, research, writing, and policy proposal and analysis.
I just found this and I think it well applies, but like all things there are those who will distort t to their own ruin:
“The ambitious and avaricious will of wicked men is always wont to lay snares against those churches which seem greater, by various pretexts attacking the ecclesiastical piety of such. For incited by the devil who works in them, to the lust of that which is set before them, and throwing away all religious scruples, they trample under foot the fear of the judgment of God.”
-Epistles on Arianism and the Deposition of Arius
1. To Alexander, Bishop of the City of Constantinople
(From: Ante-Nicene Fathers, Vol. 6. Edited by Alexander Roberts, James Donaldson, and A. Cleveland Coxe. (Buffalo, NY: Christian Literature Publishing Co., 1886.)
The Catechism of the Catholic Church teaches that marriage consists of ” a man and woman united in marriage and their children” (#2202).
it also teaches that “The Christian family is a communion of persons, a sign and image of the communion of the Father and the Son in the Holy Spirit” (#2205).
It also teaches that the central mystery that enlightens all other mysteries of the Faith is the Most Holy Trinity(#234).
God is NOT Father, Father and Holy Spirit or Mother, Mother and Holy Spirit. To present any relationship other that a man and woman united in marriage and their children” as a valid family is a de-facto rejection of the most primary tenant of all divine revelation and human nature created male and female in the image of God, and thus apart from the grace of God.
I learned a few things in Social work school from my peers, one of which is that the incidence of homosexuality (and now we can include all other deviant forms of “gender”) is on the increase. No one knew why. Around that time I was busy helping to care for gay men dying frim AIDS with the sisters of Mother Theresa who had been abandoned by the “gay” community. I would often encounter homeless on the streets one of whom came to call me his “father” and would seek me out for a few kind words and a brotherly hug. In this realm we have the phenomenon of sociologic justification of gender deviation compounding the issue and interfering with the completion of the natural sexualization of the person. Among these groups is an unusually high use of drugs. Marijuana is particularly hideous in that it accelerates formation of affective memories and can concretize personality formation prematurely. I learned that the process of masculinization which begins early in gestation in the womb can be artificially induced or interfered with. The most probable culprits are #1 birth control pill runoff, the pollutant of which is nearly ubiquitous. #2, certain plasticizers can interfere with the metabolism of sex hormones. If one wishes to blame anyone for the problem of deviant forms of sexuality, then it should include Planned Parenthood, industrial greed, social engineering, and the use of drugs, especially marijuana. Original sin has damaged human existence and it is the responsibility of everyone to live a life of penitence to help repair the damage caused by original sin, NOT acquiesce to it. This is called the battle of prayer (CCC #401, 921, 2573, 2577, 2612, 2629, 2725, 27442805, 2849) and it must be carried our with in the realm of the “obedience of faith” (CCC 143ff, 2716)
Marijuana? Got to disagree. It has been around the world since earths existence. I’ve indulged 50 + years and still feel very close to God. A wonderful plant,herb,created by God . It’s natural effects help physical pain immensely. I personally don’t consider it a sin at all.
http://www.courageRC.org
“Behold, I have two daughters who have not known man; let me bring them out to you, and do to them as you please”
Ex-squeeze me? A baking powder?
So, it’s okay if you rape my daughters but not the men from out of town?
No sin is okay. Jesus clarified the greatest commandments is to love God first and the second is to love others as you love yourself. If you read the Holy Scriptures you will see that God’s inerrant word is inspired to be written by those He chose to write it. It has existed for thousands of years and is protected from and by God Himself, who is our creator. Ask any fireman how many Bibles has he found burned in house fires. If it is in a person’s house who is truly connected to God with and through it, most likely it will survive. You can’t pick apart the the inspired word of God to suit your own needs and desires. The Holy Spirit gives us nine attributes to live by that clearly states there is no law against these. If you truly try to live by them you will see that no type of hate or anger is in them for anything. We are all sinners from the time we are born until we die. If you truly love God and try to live your life to become more like Christ the Holy Spirit of truth will come and reside in you and help you on your journey. We are supposed to love God first and then each other as Christ loved the church because we are the church when we accept Christ into our hearts. God wants and desires for us to be in unity. Sin is sin is sin. There is no sin greater than the other. Every sin separates us from God whenever we commit them. We are to recognize those sins by reading God’s word over and over until we see them for what they are, a separation from God when we commit them. I am on my fifth reading of the Bible and I am majoring in Bible studies and I have learned that the Bible is like God eternal and what I didn’t see in one of the other times about my behavior the Holy Spirit of truth has helped me see it in one of the other times. Things are revealed to us as we become closer to God in our journey that wasn’t revealed before when God feels that we are ready to grasp the true meaning of what He meant by it. We have to love one another and accept each other’s faults and have unity with God and with one another. It is God’s job to judge us individually because His word says clearly, by the way we judge others, so will we be judged. That my dear brothers and sisters means if we judged another’s sin we are trying to do God’s job and He will judge our sin by the we judged another’s sin. Frankly I am terrified more of that than what sin you are committing. Scripture says also why be concerned about the speck in your brother’s eye when you have a log in your own. May God bless each and every one of you this day and please stop bickering about this subject but look to your creator of heaven and earth and all that is in it and gives thanks to Him for all that you are and can be if you just trust Him as your Savior. Remember He is the only one who can give us peace that goes beyond understanding. I pray that each of you that reads this will go in search of that peace with Him by accepting Him and reading His word for yourself. In Jesus’s precious name I pray for each of this day and every day that you may come to know the love of Christ in your hearts. AMEN
You do realise your entire bible was rewritten and modified to ensure it fit in with Roman centralisation of the religion back in the times of the Roman empire, which lead to the catholic church. Then again rewritten in some form for the protestant church thanks to Henry VIII, so, which is dishonest, exactly. Seems to me that this holy book has so many versions by their particular niches that no-one knows the content of the true original, heck the first one originally was in pure latin, intended not to be read by common folk, by Romans, so they couldn’t tell is may have been rewritten from its originally hebrew variant. And who knows how many variants before that
Mr. ( or Mrs ) Cat,
The English version has changed a great deal. The original Greek and Hebrew, not so much. You need bare in mind that these are TRANSLATIONS.
Please not the term HOMOSEXUAL did not enter into vernacular use before the 1960’s ( though the phrase was coined back in the mid 1800’s ) hence there would wave been no outright talking about it as it was not one of the major issues facing communities back then. It was spoken of but not in terms that we would easily recognize today.
Dear Friend,
Homosexuality has been around for a very long time. It is a very old sin. It was the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah (cf. Genesis 19), for which the entire cities were destroyed. Even in the language of Genesis, the sin is easily recognizable.
So It’s ok to have sex with the same sax and continue to sin all of your life but just before you die make sure you ask Jesus to forgive and all is ok?
You guys are sick and need tom have your head checked. Homosexuality is a SIN and it will always be a SIN!!
God does not place any limit on foregiveness, as long as you are genuine but you clearly do..
As I said earlier religious people are not followers of God they are followers of religion.
God existed before religion and does not religion. Only those who don’t truly know God need religion.
Homosexuality is a sin. However, understanding that we are ALL sinners is important. Then consider 1 Corinthians 6:9-11. This states that we “were justified” in Jesus’ name. Read the entire verse to understand, but it tells that it’s a sin, but it also tells that it – like all sin – is washed away through Jesus.
Thanks for the opportunity to explain, James. You are correct to point out the need to read more than a single phrase from Scripture, that context is needed. In the New Testament, many times Christ instructs sinners to repent of their evil ways, to turn away from their wrong doing. He didn’t suffer and die for us so we could live any way we choose. Repentance and a firm resolve not to sin again is needed for His forgiveness.
only if we repent and sin no more.
Well, we will continually ‘sin’ but the point is the act of repentance and trying to be better is a daily one.
I think the issue is that we love our neighbors and hate the sin. As children of God I want all people to come to him, humble themselves and partake of the rich blessing that is his spirit.
I say to someone who engages in homosexual relations the same thing I say to myself. If you cannot acknowledged that what you are doing is wrong then you cannot cast it off. You cannot repent. This is true of myself on many, many issues.
This does not mean however that I am not trying my best to rid myself of as many issues as I can and take advantage of Christs sacrifice for myself.
Rather than attempting to justify yourself that homosexuality is okay, try saying it isn’t. Be as a child and accept that just because you want something does not mean you should have it. Walk in Christ and let go of your passions that, by choosing them will rob you of so MANY blessings that are yours for having in this life.
I think more than angry God is sad at homosexuality. It is so sad on so many levels. The irony is people simply wish to justify their passions rather than ask – am I wrong. I have had to ask myself that question many times about many issues ( including this one ).
I will not judge you – I am a sinner as well my gay brothers and sisters – but I will not agree with your actions either. Turn to God, walk with him, you do not have to let go of your passions all at once, but I ask you only to continue to seek His council and humble yourself before him.
Thank you for your article! Thank you!
If you don’t want to believe the Bible you can interpret it anyway you like. Jesus never specifically mentioned homosexual but he never mention anything about pedophile, beastiality either… so, does that make pedophile and beastiality ok just like gays? The Bible does however mentioned lots of time about the condemnation of same sex and beastiality… but never about pedophile.
Actually Jesus did mention it…..
…he mentioned porneia.
That’s not ‘porn’ it’s unlawful relationships as forbidden in Leviticus.
Incest
Homosexuality
Bestiality
….read and take note.
paedophilia?
What about ‘But he that shall scandalize one of these little ones….’
Sodom was gang rape, inhospitality, being over feed, not helping the poor and not loving your neighbor however it had nothing to do with gay people, they wanted to rape the strangers so they would leave and not come back. They weren’t interested in the women because their goal was to get rid of the foreigners, these were straight men that had wives at home. (A good example of this was the roman soldiers who would sexually abuse their enemies after battle) It’s the works of the devil to call gay people sodomites as sodomites are gang rapper. Rape and sexual imbalance is condemned in the bible but being gay is not. Leviticus condemns men cheating on their wives for men, these are bisexual men not gay men and the sin is adulatory. Being in a healthy godly gay marriage is what go wants for gay people. Sex before marriage is a sin regardless if it’s gay, bi or straight.
i think you dont know what you are saying because the bible condemns homosexuality and it it includes that lgbtq+ and stuff so try and research well and moreover GOD DOES NOT SUPPORT BEING HOMOSEXUAL
How do u know?
There is no HEALTHY GAY marriage. Show me God’s blessing on that? Homosexual is an abomination! A very disgusting sin and dishonorable to the image of God. Perverted and Vile . Romans 1 just read with an open heart.
Hey,
Marriage in The Church is so much more than two people being in love and wanting to spend the rest of their lives together, if it was just that I agree The Church would not have a leg to stand on when saying no to same sex marriages.
Marriage, by that name, is a relatively new concept in the grand scheme of things, so honestly we need to go back a bit further. All the way to Genesis with a little back up from the NT.
This is the first time that we are told we are made in His image and the first mention of 2 becoming one.
NASB Genesis 1:26-27 Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the [ak]sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” 27 God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.
NASB Genesis 2:22-24 22 The LORD God [t]fashioned into a woman the rib which He had taken from the man, and brought her to the man. 23 The man said, “This is now bone of my bones, And flesh of my flesh;[u]She shall be called [v]Woman, Because [w]she was taken out of [x]Man.”24 For this reason a man shall leave his father and his mother, and be joined to his wife; and they shall become one flesh.
NASB Mark 10:5-9 5 But Jesus said to them, “[c]Because of your hardness of heart he wrote you this commandment. 6 But from the beginning of creation, God MADE THEM MALE AND FEMALE. 7 FOR THIS REASON A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND MOTHER[d], 8 AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH; so they are no longer two, but one flesh. 9 What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate.”
When The Bible speaks of 2 becoming one flesh He is not just speaking of sex. He is speaking about the souls. God stops seeing them as 2 separate individuals with 2 separate God plans for their lives, He now sees them as one unit. This does not mean that God doesn’t have individual plans for there lives, but He will not do anything to cause them to spiritually split up.
God notes right at the beginning that we are created in His image, when reading the Bible it is important to check the context of what is being said, in Genesis when He first notes that we are created in His image the only God we know or has been shown to us at this point is the Creator God.
So when He makes the first man and woman he has made them ‘creator humans’, in his image, 2 becoming 1 is giving us the gift and potential to create life.
It is with this spiritual understanding that makes sense as to why Jesus refers to The Church as His bride. He is speaking of the spiritual soul connection 2 becoming 1, Jesus and The Church are one soul, one body with Jesus at the head.
Understanding the above helps you to understand the why behind the ‘no’. The Church is not able to give these blessings to people of the same sex, together they do not have the potential to become ‘creator humans’, nor will God see them as one unit. That is what marriage is to the Church, it is those blessings.
As noted before, in recent years people have also added marriage for love into the mix, but that is a relatively new concept. If marriage was just about two people being in love there is no debate, same sex love is real, so are the feelings associated but, in this instance, no matter how much we want to stop the pain, hurt and rejection it can cause, these blessings have been spoken since the beginning of time by God Himself and are not up for reinvention.
The Church in this subject is just like Issac when He has to tell Esau that there is no further blessing, it had been given to Jacob. This too hurt Esau but even Issac was not able to give, take away or add to the blessings that had been given out.
Congratulations. You have entered into the world of philosophical protestantism, whose logical end is atheism. Philosophical protestantism says that if you disagree with one of God’s laws, you can change it or deconstruct it to fit your delusional thought patterns. Chances are that you have engaged in a lot of recreational drug use and/or group think. The result is the same. The logical end of philosophical protestantism is atheism. Most authentic Protestants are NOT philosophical protestants. I even know of one apostate Pentecostal who is a formal atheist preacher. Atheism is the most hideous form of idolatry because it declares that God does not exist and the only way one can know that is if God Himself came and told them that He does not exist.
Many people say Christ made no mention of homosexuals therefroe they should not be condemed, but Christ made clear in his sermons a man leaves his Father and Mother to cleave to his wife, and the fact that Christ made no mention of same sex unions speaks for itself.
If you believe that the Bible is the inspired word of God(I do), then you must believe that both the Old and New Testament is the inspired word of God. Genesis 19:4-8 says that homosexuality is a wicked act; likewise Lev. 18:22 says it is an abomination and so does Lev. 20:13. Now, on to the New Testament-Jude verse 7 says Homosexuals along with fornicators will suffer the vengeance of eternal fire and, 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 plainly states that the unrighteous (and effeminate is included in the unrighteous) shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
How about where Jesus instituted marriage? It did not include homosexuals. AND I do not see what the passage highlighted above have to do with the temples. Homosexuals feel lust too right? The bible applies also to our lives now
The fact that there is not one homosexual couple in the Bible that is not condemned is very telling.
The fact that no animals or humans reproduce homosexually is very telling.
This is the way the world works. If you have a group of homosexuals there will be no children coming from that group. Ever. Not naturally. No hope in offspring. No ability to guide their own youth. Its a dark world. Not that all people need to reproduce. But to have that option – that is a wonderful aspect of life and not something to toss away.
Let’s look at the facts. The glaring facts between homosexuals and heterosexuals.
Promiscuity is far greater in the homosexual community.
Sexual disease is far greater in the homosexual community.
Drug abuse is far greater in the homosexual community.
Mental problems are far greater in the homosexual community.
Depression is far greater in the homosexual community.
Suicide is far greater in the homosexual community.
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There is a light leading you out of this dark road. Its Jesus who is so patient and is waiting for you to take a step towards Him so He can welcome you into a life of light and hope. You do have choices.
May I ask your perspective on why there is homosexuality in the animal kingdom, if they are inherently natural and therefore gods work? Or I suppose more broadly, why is there things we consider immoral that are natural in the animal kingdom? If they are not of free will, then why do they exist as fellow imperfect beings (ie; should they not be examples of perfection because they are unburdened by knowledge of sin); and if they do have free will, do they not have souls but no opportunity for salvation?
Very good job! Also remember God said to man ” Be fruitful and Multiply”. Adam was first created then Eve from the rib of man. Flesh of Adam’s flesh bone of his bone “a helpmeet” He created man and woman to be together.
Everywhere in the Bible God condemns this lack of order. Homosexual is sinful and a disorder.
About suicide depression and other mental problems and so on most of the things on that list of your are common for members of the LGBTQ+ community are because of people like u making them believe they are not good enough OKAY
Actually you don’t have choice our lord God makes that very clear in Isaiah. Saying we have choice is blasphemy. We don’t as we were created by an all knowing and all powerful God.
There is absolutely homosexually in the animal kingdom. Insinuating there is not is a lie. You obviously did not grow up on a farm.
The rates of higher drug use and mental health issues in the gay community are due in no small part to the evil perpetuated by religious dogma.
Sadly most religious people do not know God as they are trapped in religion.
These are the same people who sexually assault children in the Church, cheat on their spouse, lie, lust, and work on the sabbath. Yet they still believe they are going to heaven. What they base that on I don’t know but it’s not what the Bible says.
The vast majority Christians of the right wing fundamentalist variety are going to burn in hell much to their surprise.
Animal ‘homosexuality’ is about power and dominance and control – much like that in prisons and similar – not about sexuality.
The thing that often blows mind when reading about same sex attraction among believers, they all shout about it being a sin. Yes it is a sin, but have you forgotten that you too are a sinner? That it is only through Jesus’ sacrifice on the Cross that you are able to be in relationship with God?
You gave an intriguing list..
Let’s look at the ‘facts’ The glaring ‘facts’ between homosexuals and heterosexuals.
-Promiscuity is far greater in the homosexual community.
PLEASE, who are you kidding? this is not a fact, it is an assumption. Do you really believe this? If you are a believer in Christ, you should know that just looking at another person is adultery, even if it an accidental passing thought or look.. Good thing Jesus has your back!
-Sexual disease is far greater in the homosexual community.
This is also not entirely true. I can assure you that in sexual health clinics there is a good amount of disease among hetro communities too.. I’m assuming you are thinking about AIDs in the 80s and haven’t quite kept up to date, the fact is that numbers are down..
-Drug abuse is far greater in the homosexual community + Mental problems are far greater in the homosexual community. Suicide is far greater in the homosexual community.
Drug abuse is often a symptom of something greater, so I’m just gonna straight up link in the “Mental Problems and “Suicide” ‘facts’ all here.
Has it ever occurred to you that growing up and finding out you have a preference for people of the same sex is not the easiest of journeys? Growing up being told that something you cant control or asked for can give you a one way ticket to hell. The child that somehow knows that they are a sinner and that they are disqualified from God’s love (not true by the way!). What about the kid that beats him/herself Infront of a mirror because they have realised they are attracted to people of the same sex? Or the kid that kills them self because they have been misinformed that God hates them.
Same sex attraction is not WHO a person is, it is a preference. Just because a person likes Ice Cream, it does not make them Ice Cream. The more we throw the ‘Gay Identity’ on people and not the GOD GIVEN one of being His Child, we are going to continue to isolate and reject God’s Children. Jesus even notes that it is better for us to die than to prevent a child coming to him. Some of The Church’s cheap theology and glib answers (Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve or God hates gays) are not what is going to bring God’s children back to the church. Why not give real answers instead of nasty, hurtful comments. The only people Jesus was mean too was the pharisees. People who believed they were better than others and prevented others in building a relationship with God.
Same sex attraction when dealt with like any other sin is not that big a deal, it is to be lifted to God just like all other sins. Over eating, smoking, gossiping, inappropriate crushes, ANY sex outside of marriage!
You are right- “There is a light leading you out of this dark road. Its Jesus who is so patient and is waiting for you to take a step towards Him so He can welcome you into a life of light and hope. You do have choices”. How about you love people into the kingdom, it is standing in God’s love that will help them (and the rest of us) deal with there sin, not your obvious tone of hate that this article invokes.
I think you forgot to mention that venereal disease is also greater among the sexually deviant
Where does GOD speak of homosexuality? Not Leviticus, or corinthians or other BOOKS or groups of Priests! But GOD Himself?? We have been told all our lives that Moses came down from the mountain with Ten Commandments! They are GOD”S LAWS! But NOWHERE is homosexuality mentioned in those laws!!! I don’t want to hear about someones’ interpertation of the law but the law itself! The laws are very clear on murder, stealing adultery etc. but NOTHING on homosexuality!!! And the sins of Sodom and Gomorrah certainly contained more than just homosexuality! By the way, I am not Gay, not gay desires, no wanting to bat for the other side etc. just asking a straight forward question. (no pun intended).
Well, Leviticus 18:22 for one. This is what GOD told MOSES to write.
Homosexuality was an interpretation in and of itself. The original text states nothing wrong with homosexuality. In fact, there are multiple instances of lesbian relationships in the bible. But if you want to talk about what the bible deems acceptable, how about the men with their rape victims, men with hundreds of women (and concubines), men with multiple women, all in the bible.
Also don’t forget that the bible was NOT written by Jesus, or Moses, or God, but by many different people- some of who lived hundreds of years after Jesus died. It is not a factual telling of Jesus or God, but an interpretation of how to be a better person and a culmination of stories. Nothing more. If you want to worship a book, you’re worshipping people who sought to love, not hate- even the serial killer who wrote a large portion of the bible: Saul/Paul changed his ways.
may GOD have mercy on your eternal soul.
First prove there’s a god.
And what does the Bible say about judging others, Mr. Hypocrite?
Its almost comical seeing how gays read the Bible with their rose colored glasses. Or, in their situation they would be glasses with all the colors of the rainbow, a symbol they have kidnapped and held ransom. I guess we can all pretend to be unknowing and illiterate when it suits us. When its inconvenient.
You can tell a lot by how people write. When someone has a hate on for God it clearly shows. They are eagerly searching for anything that will support their view, no matter how ridiculous or twisted it is. All we can do is patiently pray and support them whenever they take a step towards spiritual sanity.
do your research very well okay
moses wrote the five books which is Gen-Deut
try and research before commenting
In what book, chapter and verse are these lesbian relationships?
Yes, the Bible is full of all sorts of issues, but that does not mean that God approved of these things. The blue print for marriage was set at the beginning and even Jesus pointed back to that blue print. The Bible was written by man, but God inspired. If you believe in God the creator of the universe, you will believe that He controls all. the Bible is not how to be a better person because none of us can be good enough to enter Heaven. the Bible is pointing us to the the Savior of the world Jesus.
It is true that homosexuality is not mentioned in the stone tablets, but neither are many other sins. Romans 1:26 says, For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. Their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural, and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in their own persons the due penalty for their error. There are many more, but this is the most convicting. God notes it as unnatural even. God made Man and Woman compatible, they were made for each other literally. Homosexuality is a sin, and bottom of the barrel in a matter of speaking. I hope this answered your comment.
Exactly. Moses would have needed an earthmover to bring all the tablets down if all the rules were on them. They were basic guidelines that the Bible hugely enlarges upon. They are also very symbolic. Also the way the people drifted away from their faith so easily as soon as Moses wasn’t around to lead them is very telling. We’re all weak in some areas. Its important to seek out others to reinforce ourselves. Satan is very busy!
If you are going to take that track, then you are saying God never gave any of the Ten Commandments, which would be a lie. Moses wrote the first five books or the Bible that are found in the Old Testament which contain both the Ten Commandments and the Laws of Leviticus. Now id you want to dismiss groups of Priests, well that is dangerous, it is alright for God gives us that right at our peril at times; it called “self-will” which God has allowed. However, if you want dismiss Moses, the prophets, and the apostles, then you may as well dismiss God and His Son. You will then live a life that awaits death (something that you should know you CANNOT dismiss), and will learn the truth of what you think or believe within a split second after you leave this earth.